Ann Prudance (Prue) BIRD

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                                                  Jenny Bird with a picture of her daughter Prue at a police media conference. Source: Herald Sun











Prudance was last seen at her home address at Glenroy Victoria on Sunday, 2 February 1992.

Reported missing to: Victorian Police.

Thank You Everybody

Hi everyone, I am Prue's mum Jenny. I would like to thank Jarrod for starting this wall and to everybody that has joined. It gives me great pleasure to know that Prue is still in everybody's thoughts.

Prue loved living in Glenroy and her family and friends, She always felt safe walking the streets but someone took that away from her.

Shortly before Prue went missing, she recieved a phonecall, we have never been able to find out who that was, maybe over the years you have heard various things that you may find insignificant but could be vital in solving Prue's case.

If you do not want to go to the police, you can contact me on this site through private message. All I would like is closure and for Prue to be buried with dignity. I have never been able to move forward, please if you can help, do so.

Thank You

Jenny Bird



Mother's reward hope for missing girl

19 Sep, 2008 03:06 PM - Golden Mail


THE mother of a teenage girl missing, believed murdered, for 16 years hopes someone in Leonora may have information that can provide police with fresh clues.

Last month Victorian homicide squad detectives announced a reward for information had jumped from $100,000 to $500,000 and Jenny Bird is hoping someone who knew her daughter during a stay in Leonora will come forward with new information.

Prudence Bird, known as `Prue', 13, disappeared from her home in Melbourne about 2.10pm on February 2, 1992, leaving a hot meal uneaten on the table and the television going. Her mother was out with Prue's sister at the time.

Ms Bird said Prue had spent part of 1991 living with her grandmother, Julie, her grandmother's partner, career criminal Paul Kurt Hetzel, and an associate of Hetzel's named 'Maurie', in a rented house in Gwalia Street, Leonora.

She had attended Leonora District High School and her “nanna” and Hetzel had bought a house in Leonora and were renovating it while she was staying with them, Ms Bird said.

She said her daughter came to Melbourne with her grandmother and Hetzel in late 1991 but decided not to return to Leonora with them.

“She said to me 'I'm not going back - he's nuts'," Ms Bird said.

She said she learned later that about the time her daughter went missing from her home, Hetzel's associate 'Maurie' was supposedly on his way to Melbourne from Leonora to deliver a parcel of clothes and other items that Prue had left behind.

Ms Bird said she also found out later that when her daughter disappeared without trace there was no publicity about the case in Leonora.

“At the time Hetzel was taking part in a police witness protection program so, of course, the police didn't want any publicity about where he was,” Ms Bird said.

“I was so angry when I found out there had been no publicity in Leonora.

“Somebody there might have seen something while Prue was living there or heard something after she left that might have helped police get a picture of what could have happened to her.

“I'm hoping that publicity now (the reward for information leading to a conviction has been increased) might still jog someone's memory,” Ms Bird said.

She said she was under “no illusions” about her daughter's disappearance.

“I just want to know what happened,” she said.

Ms Bird said she severed all contact with her mother and Hetzel after her daughter's disappearance.

Hetzel spent years in the witness protection program after testifying against three associates convicted over a bomb blast that killed one person and injured 23 outside the then Victoria Police headquarters in 1986 and armed robberies.

Police have said they interviewed “several persons of interest” in relation to Prue Bird’s disappearance and suspected murder, however “these avenues of enquiry have proven fruitless”.

Former crime reporters, John Silvester and Andrew Rule, covered Prue Bird's disappearance in their book Underbelly 3.

Anyone with information which may help police is urged to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000 or visit and quote reference number CA2025.


Reward increased for suspected murder

Release date: Tue 5 August 2008


Victorian Homicide Squad detectives have today increased the reward for information regarding the disappearance and suspected murder of schoolgirl Prudence Bird.

In 2000, police announced a $100,000 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the person or persons responsible for the 13-year-old girl’s suspected death.

Today the reward has been increased to $500,000.

Homicide Squad Detective Inspector Steve Clark said he hoped the renewed appeal would encourage anybody with information to come forward and assist police with their investigation.

Prue disappeared from her Justin Avenue, Glenroy home at approximately 2.10pm on 2 February 1992.

Her mother Jenny left home that morning, leaving Prue with a family friend who also lived at the house.

Prue was last seen in the kitchen preparing lunch. When the friend returned to the house after packing boxes in the garage, the front door was open, the television was on and a hot meal was sitting uneaten on the table.

Prue has not been seen or heard from since.

Despite an extensive police investigation, Prue’s disappearance more than 16 years ago remains a mystery.

"There are still many unanswered questions regarding Prue’s disappearance," Detective Inspector Steve Clark said.

"She had no criminal history, nor did she have any known personal reasons to run away from home. She left a hot meal uneaten on the table and did not take any possessions with her.

"It is as though she simply disappeared off the face of the earth," he said.

Investigators have interviewed several persons of interest in relation to Prue’s disappearance and suspected murder, however these avenues of enquiry have proven fruitless.

Police are now hopeful that the offer of a $500,000 reward will encourage members of the public with information to come forward.

"For 16 years Prue’s mother has had to live without knowing what happened to her daughter and we believe somebody out there has information that can solve this mystery," Detective Inspector Steve Clark said.

The Department of Public Prosecutions will also consider the granting indemnification from prosecution to any person who provides information as to the identity of the principal offender or offenders.

Anybody with information about the disappearance and suspected murder of Prudence Bird is urged to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000 or visit


Reward boost to find missing Prue


August 4, 2008


The mother of a 13-year-old girl who vanished in 1992, leaving a hot meal uneaten on the dinner table, hopes an increased reward may finally solve the mystery of her disappearance and suspected murder.

- Prudence Bird missing since 1992
- Authorities to consider waiving charges
- Investigations so far fruitless

Homicide Squad detectives today announced the reward for information leading to a conviction had jumped from $100,000 to $500,000.

Schoolgirl Prudence Bird, known as `Prue', disappeared from her home in Justin Avenue, Glenroy about 2.10pm on February 2, 1992.

Her mother Jenny said the past 16 years had been "the cruellest".

"It's like carrying a bag of bricks around with you every day of your life," she said.

Ms Bird last spoke to Prue the night before her disappearance, when her daughter apologised for coming home late, and told her she loved her.

After looking in on her sleeping daughter the next morning, Ms Bird left for the day.

A female friend, living at the house, and reported to be in a relationship with Ms Bird, last saw Prue in the kitchen preparing lunch, and taking a call from a teenage boy.

When the woman returned to the house after packing boxes in the garage, the front door was open, the television was on and a hot meal was sitting uneaten on the table.

Despite extensive police investigations, Prue has not been seen or heard from since.

"To me it's like she's been taken by aliens, she's just gone," her mother said.

Police have investigated numerous avenues of enquiry in the hunt for Prue over the past 16 years - including her grandmother's de facto husband Paul Kurt Hetzel.

In 1999, The Age reported Hetzel, a career criminal, had lived under witness protection for years after testifying against three associates convicted over the Russell Street bombing and armed robberies.

In 1991, Prue, apparently resentful of her mother's new relationship with the woman who lived at their house, wanted to leave home, and went to stay with her "Nanna" and Hetzel in a town near Kalgoorlie.

She later returned, reporting telling her mother: "I don't want to go back - he's nuts."

Prue also knew a man called Stanley Taylor, an old jailmate of Hetzel's. The Age reported in 1999 that it was only after Prue took an overdose of tablets the year before she disappeared, that her grandmother revealed that at age seven, Prue was handcuffed to a naked boy her own age in a shower.

Ms Bird said she was under no illusions her feisty daughter, who was in Year 8 at Glenroy High when she disappeared, was still alive.

"I don't live in a fairyland, I knew the day Prue went missing that whatever it was (it) was going to be terrible," she said.

Detective Inspector Steve Clark today said police did not have "any information to suggest the disappearance is linked to the Russell Street bombings", and no specific information there was any link to the grandparents.

Ms Bird said she had no theories.

"I have no clue, I wish I knew," she said.

Ms Bird said she had cut all ties with her extended family.

She said she missed Prue, who would have now been 30, every day of her life.

"I think, would she be married, would she have children? I miss everything about her, I miss her smell, her touch, I miss everything.

"She was naughty at times, she had a lot of guts to do things, she used to pinch me on the bum to say that she loves me."

Detective Inspector Clark said there were still many unanswered questions.

"She (Prue) had no criminal history, nor did she have any known personal reasons to run away from home. She left a hot meal uneaten on the table and did not take any possessions with her.

"It is as though she simply disappeared off the face of the earth."

Detective Inspector Clark said it was a case that the Homicide Squad would dearly like to solve.

"This is a job that tugs at everybody's heartstrings, a lot of people at the Homicide Squad have young children, so it's very, very difficult to cope with the disappearance of a 13-year-old," he said.

Ms Bird urged the public to provide any information, no matter how insignificant it seemed.

"Please have the courage to make the phone call. If you want to stay anonymous, stay anonymous, but please, Prue needs to be buried with dignity, I need to be able to put her to rest."

Investigators have interviewed several persons of interest in relation to the disappearance and suspected murder, but those avenues proved fruitless.

The Office of Public Prosecutions will consider waiving charges to any person who provides information about the case.

The call for information on Prue's disappearance coincides with the start of National Missing Persons Week.

Anyone with information should phone Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000 or go to


           *Click below on link to article about Hetzel from 1977 -,3399045


Murderer suspected of grabbing Prue Bird


BEGA schoolgirl killer Les Camilleri has emerged as the prime suspect in one of Melbourne's most disturbing cold case murders.

The sinister Camilleri is under scrutiny over the baffling 1992 disappearance of 13-year-old Glenroy girl Prue Bird.

Camilleri is already serving two life sentences for the murder of Lauren Barry, 14, and Nichole Collins, 16, in 1997.

He and an accomplice abducted the girls in southern NSW, raped them and murdered them by a creek in Victoria's east.

The investigation into the killing of Prue Bird was first thought to be linked to the Russell St police bombings or a notorious armed robber who was friendly with her family.

But Camilleri is now in the sights of the homicide squad.

Investigators have been trying to piece together Camilleri's movements in the period when Prue vanished.

She was last seen alive preparing lunch in the kitchen of her mother's Justin Avenue house on February 2, 1992. A family friend who had been packing boxes in a garage returned to find the front door open and the television on.

Earlier this year, police publicly appealed for anyone who knew of Camilleri's whereabouts or could place him in Melbourne in the 1990s to come forward, but did not specify why.

A $500,000 reward is in place for anyone able to help find Prue's killer.

Victoria Police would not comment on any link between Camilleri and the Bird case.

"The investigation into the murder of Prue Bird remains unsolved, and police urge any person with information in relation to the homicide to contact CrimeStoppers," a police statement said.

In 1999, Supreme Court judge Frank Vincent sentenced Camilleri to life in jail with no minimum term.

"Through your own acts, you have forfeited your right to ever walk among us again," Justice Vincent said.

Now 39, Camilleri is serving his term in the state's most secure jail, Barwon Prison, near Geelong.

His accomplice, Lindsay Beckett, was sentenced to life in jail with a minimum of 35 years before he can be considered for parole.

One of the early theories after Prue disappeared was that her death was linked to the Russell St police bombings of 1986.

Her grandmother was a long-time partner of convicted armed robber Paul Hetzel, who turned Crown witness against four men accused of the bombing.

At one stage, police also examined whether a sexually twisted armed robber, who had spent time with the family, was responsible.

That man, known at one stage as Bank Enemy Number One, had sexually assaulted a relative of Prue's.

Anyone with information on the murder of Prue Bird can contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000 or visit

Break-through in Prue Bird disappearance



Wednesday, 02 February 2011 07:38

Homicide Squad detectives have made a break-through in the mystery disappearance and suspected murder of teenager Prudence "Prue" Bird.

For 19 years police have been painstakingly investigating what happened to the 13-year-old school girl.

Recently new information was provided to investigators that Prue was last seen in the back seat of a blue 1986 Ford Laser hatchback with her hands against the back window as it drove away.

Police are now searching for this vehicle which they think was used to abduct Prue.

The Glenroy teen was last seen at her Justin Avenue home about 2.10pm on February 2, 1992.

Her mother Jenny left home that morning, leaving Prue with a family friend who also lived at the house.

Prue was last seen in the kitchen preparing lunch. When the friend returned to the house after packing boxes in the garage, the front door was open, the television was on and a hot meal was sitting uneaten on the table.

Despite an extensive police investigation, Prue has not been seen or heard from since.

A $500,000 reward remains on offer for information that leads to the arrest and conviction of the person or persons responsible for the school girl's suspected death.

Homicide Squad Detective Inspector John Potter said someone in the community knew what happened to the teen.

"For nearly two decades the Bird family has been left with many unanswered questions regarding Prue's disappearance and we want to provide them with answers," he said.

"This new piece of information could prove to be the break-through we needed to solve this case and it's now crucial that we find this car.

"The Bird family need and deserve closure so we ask anyone with information on Prue's disappearance or the blue Laser to please contact police or Crime Stoppers."

Investigators have interviewed several persons of interest in relation to Prue's disappearance and suspected murder, however these avenues of enquiry have not lead to an arrest.

The Department of Public Prosecutions will also consider the granting indemnification from prosecution to any person who provides information as to the identity of the principal offender or offenders.

Anyone with information is urged to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000 or visit

Search for body of Prue Bird at Bega schoolgirl murder site

By Andy Park - The Age

INVESTIGATORS will continue their search today for the body of missing Melbourne teenager Prue Bird at the site of the Bega schoolgirl double murders.

The bodies of Lauren Barry and Nichole Collins were found at Flat Rock Creek in east Gippsland in 1997.

Both girls were kidnapped in Bega, NSW, and driven across the border to the isolated site where they were repeatedly raped and killed.Two men were later convicted.

Prue Bird was last seen in a car that sped away from her Glenroy home in 1992. She was 13.

The case was cold for almost 20 years until Les Camilleri, 42, was charged last week in a breakthrough that has led police back to the secluded gully.

It has been reported police followed a hand-drawn map and detection dogs as they used tools to clear two patches yesterday. The other patch is thought to be

the location of the body of a missing man whose identity is not yet known.

Prue's mother spoke last week about the angst she had felt over the last 20 years.

''To get her body back [she] would have somewhere to go. It's been a hard 20 years, and I miss her,'' Mrs Bird said.

Les Camilleri is expected to face the Melbourne Magistrates Court on Wednesday.


Leslie Camilleri silent on plea in murder case of missing Melbourne teenager Prue Bird


 PROSECUTORS are anticipating that the man accused of murdering Glenroy teenager Prue Bird in 1992 may have his case resolved at the end of the month.

Leslie Alfred Camilleri, 43, sat in the dock in Court 11 at Melbourne Magistrates' Court today and spoke only seven words during the 9.15am hearing before Magistrate Simon Garnett.

Prue’s mother, Jenny, watched on from the back of the court.

The Melbourne Magistrates’ Court was told last month that while Camilleri had made admissions in relation to the case, issues involving alleged motive and the circumstances were in dispute.

Today, defence lawyer Jacqui Kennedy reiterated that the defence and prosecution were still in dispute over the facts, adding that the parties were still “miles apart”.

In asking for a plea, Mr Garnett put the charge to Camilleri that in Victoria between February 2 and 11, 1992, he murdered Prue Bird.

Camilleri replied: “I don’t wish to enter a plea.”

When Mr Garnett said he would register a plea of not guilty - as he was required to register a plea under the current act - Ms Kennedy said she believed her client had a right to remain silent on a definitive plea.

It was decided a not guilty plea would be registered.

Chief Crown prosecutor Gavin Silbert, SC, told Mr Garnett that the prosecution team were anticipating a plea on July 31.

Camilleri - with shaved head and wearing a green windcheater zipped high up his neck - was returned to custody.

“I have noted what you said in response to my question (regarding a plea),” Mr Garnett told him.

Camilleri will appear in the Supreme Court for a directions hearing on July 31.

Prue, 13, vanished from her Glenroy home on February 2, 1992.

Her remains have not been located.

Speaking to the Herald Sun outside court, Jenny Bird said she could not comment at this stage of the proceedings.


Push for Vic 'no body, no parole' law


The Victorian opposition wants to introduce a "no body, no parole" law to stop jailed killers from getting parole if their victims are still missing.

A proposed "no body, no parole" Victorian law to stop convicted killers from being granted parole if they don't reveal the location of their victim could help countless families find closure.

Opposition corrections spokesman Edward O'Donohue introduced a private member's bill on Wednesday that would prevent convicted murderers from qualifying for parole if they don't disclose the location of a body.

"Families have a right to gain closure after the tragic loss of a loved one," he said in a statement.

Under the amendment, any convicted murderer who has not disclosed the location of a victim's body, or who has withheld critical information, would not be eligible for parole until they do.

It could affect the parole eligibility of criminals like Leslie Alfred Camilleri, who in 2012 admitted murdering 13-year-old Prue Bird in 1992 but kept secret where he dumped the Melbourne schoolgirl's body.

In 2013 he told police he had wrapped the girl in a doona and hidden it in a wardrobe at a Frankston tip.

But police found nothing when they dug up the site, and say Camilleri has refused to help any further.

Last year, convicted killer Keith Smart was released on parole after serving a minimum eight years of an 11-year jail term for the manslaughter of Katie Lee Tanner.

The young mother, who had been in a relationship with Tanner's son, was last seen alive in 2006.

Her remains have never been found and throughout his 2008 court hearings, Stuart refused to say where her body was hidden.

Murdered Northcote lawyer Keith Allan's body has never been found despite three men, including Mr Allan's former employee, being convicted over his contract killing in 2004.

The men were all jailed for at least 20 years.

Andrew Rule: How Prue Bird’s killer was caught

MELBOURNE teenager Prue Bird was held captive for up to a week before she was murdered, and it haunts those who loved her. But it took a convicted killer’s confession for her family to get some answers. October 11, 2018  Herald Sun


THOSE who worked the case of murdered 13-year-old Melbourne girl Prue Bird say the problem is this: the system. Police need evidence a crime has been committed before they will act. But unless they act, they can’t get the evidence they need. It’s a catch-22 situation.

There are exceptions, as the Jill Meagher case shows. Following a huge public outcry, prompt and thorough police work identified Adrian Bayley within days and found Jill’s body 24 hours later.

If she had been locked in a shed alive, they would have rescued her.

That’s why Jenny Bird will always be bitter, regardless of how well individual police have treated her. Prue was held captive for up to a week before she was murdered, and it haunts those who loved her.

Chris Jones still feels desperately sorry for Jenny. He was at Missing Persons until 1996, and stays in touch with her, despite having left the force years ago. He says she is entitled to be aggrieved — “but at the system rather than individuals”.

The system, in the 1990s, meant it was almost impossible to get telephone taps approved unless there was evidence of a crime. Even after the runaway theory faded, police had to eliminate the usual suspects: family and friends first. It was complicated by the fact the divorced Jenny had a female partner, Issie, that senior officers thought made a better suspect than the Minogues’ friends.

Issie had been home alone with Prue at the time and she conceivably had a motive — resentment of her partner’s children.

A senior officer in the crime department told a family member that child murders “happen in lesbian relationships all the time”.

By the time police were satisfied neither Jenny nor Issie had murdered Prue, the trail was cold and the real killers long gone.

Jones urged Jenny to take her two other children and move to a secret address.

She had lost her daughter, her home and was split from most of her family and friends. Between grief and sedatives, she feared she might lose her mind. The only bright spot was the kindness of police who treated her as if her loss mattered.

Her friend Christine Spalding had another premonition. “Chrissie told me that one day I’d know what happened to Prue.”

That bleak prophecy and her two younger children gave her something to live for.

EVEN monsters talk sometimes. Les Camilleri is one of the most reviled prisoners in Australian history but in the Barwon Prison protection wing where he is serving life for the Bega schoolgirl murders of 1997, he has a captive audience.

In 2009, a Barwon prisoner got a message to police that surprised them: Camilleri had boasted he was present at Prue Bird’s murder.

Soon afterwards, Camilleri told a relative by telephone he was tied to another murder, not just Bega. When the relative visited the prison he told her about Prue Bird.

Police trawled records and Camilleri’s associates looking for a link. They found he had often come from interstate to buy drugs from a dealer who “worked” with Victor Peirce.

The dealer’s name was Mark McConville. He was well known to police and linked to the most violent men in the Melbourne underworld, including some who knew the Russell Street bombers — who happened to know a criminal family living near the Birds in Glenroy.

McConville died in 2003, when his reckless drug abuse caught up with him. It was no loss — and it meant two women he had terrorised for years were no longer afraid.

One, in particular, had impressed police as a witness against one of Australia’s most prolific and evil killers, Rodney Collins, for the double murder of Ramon and Dorothy Abbey at West Heidelberg in 1987.

Collins and McConville shot Abbey in his face and cut his wife’s throat while her children cowered in the next room.

Collins at first avoided prosecution but McConville had stolen a watch from the Abbeys’ house that linked him to the scene.

He was convicted of the murders in 1989 but an appeal turned him loose in the 1990s.

McConville was the black sheep of a respectable Keilor family. One of his brothers and a cousin played AFL football but his idea of sport was torturing weaker people — especially women. By the time a pretty young woman later known as “Witness K” was caught in his web, he was a deranged, drug-dealing sadist.

By the time K gave evidence in the Abbey case against Collins in 2009 — and later in the trial of Leslie Camilleri — she was a ravaged version of the “glamour girl” who’d roamed Melbourne nightclubs with McConville in the 1990s.

When the manager of the Tunnel nightclub, Steve Boyle, caught McConville dealing drugs in the club’s toilets one night in July 1992, he dragged him out and “gave him a touch-up” then threw him out. Boyle describes McConville as “vermin — a low dog who squealed like a pig”.

Before dawn, someone nailed a pony’s head to the nightclub’s side door in Little Bourke St. Police found out years later that McConville had hacked the head off a child’s pony to stage the stunt as a grotesque act of revenge.

But that wasn’t the worst thing McConville did. By the time K gave evidence against him early this year, Det Sgt Brent Fisher and others in the homicide squad had pieced together a terrible story that had unfolded earlier in 1992.

When Mark Buttler revealed in the Herald Sun in late 2009 that Leslie Camilleri was in the frame for Prue Bird’s disappearance, it sent shockwaves through everyone who had known her. It also stirred memories.

When Prue’s friend, Melissa, by then a married mother, saw a 1990s file picture of Camilleri run with the story, she was stunned.

She had seen that man — tall, with blond curly hair and a big nose — 17 years before, in late December 1991. She had been at the Birds’ house while Jenny was away, and the tall man had knocked at the door with a bogus excuse, asking who owned the car parked in the yard.

Later, when Melissa had walked home, the man followed her in a small blue car.

“I got a sick feeling,” she recalls. She ran to a friend’s house and called her father. They told the police, who showed her pictures of cars. Nothing came of it.

Prue vanished five weeks later. Melissa did not connect it at the time, which was understandable.

Less easy to understand is that another local girl (later known as “Witness L”), saw Prue in a blue car the day she disappeared, her face and hands pressed to the window.

Memories warp and fade. The memory of K, McConville’s nightclubbing friend, recovered after he died.

No longer terrified and free of the “date rape” drug Rohypnol that McConville used to stupefy women he treated as sex slaves, she told a story that had haunted her for nearly 20 years.

She had met Camilleri with McConville in late 1991 and had driven around Glenroy with them as they looked for a girl the men planned to “knock”.

She was later able to take police to the Birds’ house in Justin Ave.

In court this year, she told of being locked in a shed in Doncaster St, Ascot Vale, with a teenage girl called Prue. The girl had told her she wanted to be a hairdresser — something no one outside the family knew.

When Jenny Bird heard that, she knew K was telling the truth.

Prue had been distressed and wanted to go home but K, addled by drugs, had warned her not to escape because she was scared of McConville. She assured Prue “We’ll be right” but that wasn’t true. The decision to save herself a beating (or worse) condemned Prue to death.

Nine days later, Camilleri was arrested in NSW on unrelated warrants. Some time that week, Prue had been killed. Camilleri admits that much. But he has reasons for not confessing who was with him and where the body is.

One reason is that the bomber, rapist, killer and jailhouse heavy, Craig Minogue, is still inside, playing the part of model prisoner. He will not want his chances of parole spoiled by Camilleri, who knows someone could get him the way they got Carl Williams if he incriminates the Minogues.

Camilleri is the only person who can tell Jenny where her girl’s remains are, and he’s not talking. Yet.

The only clue is that McConville tied women to trees in Doongala Forest in the Dandenongs. A place he called the “burial ground”.